When the Rubber Meets the Road...A Remarkable Encounter with Feminism
By Irene Kagoya
When you hear about the African Women’s Leadership
Institute (AWLI) you are most likely to think of it as any other Institute …
when you speak to one who has been through the AWLI is when you actually
realize this Institute is like no other! In this Month’s Alumni of the Month
feature we bring you an exclusive dialogue with one of our very influential
AWLI alumni, Saida Ali, Program Officer, at the International
Women’s Health Coalition.
Q: Most of us really know you as Saida Ali …
we either have interacted with you and or virtually heard of the name but I
believe there is more to this beautiful name… who are you?
She first laughs off wondering what I am looking for but
goes spot on to say beyond
just saying that I am Saida Ali, I think people know me as an activist and
women’s rights feminist activist to be specific. The other side of me people
don’t know is that I am a mother of a 6 year old daughter. I bring that in
because as a mother of a daughter, I see why it’s all worthwhile for the work
that I do in terms of making lives and society better for women and girls
worldwide.
Q- What would you consider to be your strength?
That would be my oral communication because that is
something that I need or often use in different forums. I use it a lot in
articulating the issues, being able to reach out to governments, speak to the
media and also mobilizing women at different levels requires you to have the
confidence and boldness to speak even on women's and girls' issues that do not
always get supported such as sexual rights. So my strength is in both the oral
communication and the analysis that is essential in both articulation and
strategic engagement on the issues.
Q- What inspires you to do the work that you
do, well knowing that its challenging to advocate for women‘s rights more so as
an activist
Speaking passionately she starts off by saying ...For the longest time I have to say my
inspiration remains the same. I know I have said this before. My motivation is
really in the lives of women and girls. African women and girls motivate me.
Perhaps in a few years when the status changes for the better, then it would be
a huge turn around. My motivation is the transformation of the lives of those
women and girls. On a very positive note, my passion is driven by the agency of
African women and girls - the power to determine and shift their lives in the
most difficult of circumstances. At another level I am motivated by the need to
drive our own agenda and transform the narratives that define African women and
girls in a certain way. I am motivated to be part of redefining who an African
girl or woman is. She is not a hopeless, helpless, uneducated person who does
not know what she wants or what needs to be done to change the world around
her. I am motivated to challenge a narrative that is negative about who we are
and what we are capable of doing. I also know that challenging that narrative
does not happen in a vacuum but is also driven by a broader agenda of ensuring
that women's bodily integrity and autonym are respected - it is a motivation
that is centrally placed in challenging patriarchy
Q- As you may be aware, Akina Mama wa
Afrika is celebrating 30 years since her formation in 1985... Do you in anyway
identify with this milestone?
Absolutely!! I wish you could see me… by just you asking
me that gives me goose bumps. The reasons I get the goose bumps when talking
about identifying with this milestone is that I see myself…I see a 23 year
going 24 joining AWLI at the time when it was for 25 year olds and above. The
AWLI changed my life! It was my first ever proper formal training and
introduction into understanding feminism, that feminism matters, to
appreciating the relevance of using feminist analysis to sharpen my advocacy
skills and demanding the rights not just for myself but for other African women
and girls. Wow - I identify with that question! Yes I could have read about it,
heard about it at the University but what that meant for me was the legitimacy
to challenge the status quo, oppression and discrimination in all its forms,
the relevance that it gives voice and choices to women. As a young African
woman at that time I connected and networked with other African women. I think
I don’t do this question justice but I think for me it was just a
formidable way of meeting and connecting with feminism and other African
feminists.
Q- What is your most memorable AWLI
experience? What was the one thing that really stood out for you?
Wondering which one to pin down she says…let me see… I think what stood out was the focus on
personal empowerment - bringing out the personal inner power and connecting
that to other aspects of life. I often remember Bisi Adeleye-Fayemi, one of the
AMwA founder members and a facilitator during our AWLI constantly telling us
that the personal is political and that stood out for me too. -Perhaps, the
tipping point for addressing some of the challenges and barriers to women's and
girls' empowerment lie in harnessing that personal inner power and linking that
to politicizing our personal experiences. So, other than the many fabulous
experiences I had at the AWLI what stood out for me and is a constant in my
life is definitely the recognition of what my inner fire can do.
Q- Any learning from the AWLI that has
particularly proved useful in your work that you continue to draw on and
continues to support you in your work?
Yeah! I mean there are many it would take me a month to
talk about this but let me try... The AWLI was useful for us in how a number of
us came together at that time as young women. This saw the beginnings of the Young Women’s Leadership Institute which continues to do work on
getting the voices of young women out there. Through that work and space I
continued to identify the need to build the personal, self-esteem, the
confidence of young women and girls as a way of building the path towards them
claiming their human rights. I mean it’s not going to happen if we are not
connecting to that bit of personal empowerment. I continue to use that in
different spaces including in motivational talks with girls.
Secondly a big part of the AWLI was advocacy. What I am
doing today on global advocacy had its foundation laid at the AWLI. It was
beyond just understanding what advocacy means, to actually getting to the
realization that advocacy on women's rights is not for the faint hearted. It
can also take a long time to see the fruits of what you are working on and some
people do give up on the way. You need to be bold and resilient especially if
you are constantly reminding people that sexual rights underpin all other human
rights, which is what I do in my work with IWHC. What I learned from the AWLI
did not just set the foundation of my engagement in international policy but
was also a critical building block.
The AWLI pushed me to challenge myself. For instance, I
know it’s almost not possible to do this work without constantly reading. I
remember Bisi Adeleye-Fayemi in a session on understanding feminism underscored
the importance of reading. One of the things I have never forgotten from her
session was her saying that you have to read in order to be able to do the
analysis, to do the work, to challenge, to articulate the issues you have to
read there is no way out!
Q- My next question was whether you could
recommend a Sister to the AWLI but it looks definite….
she laughs and goes on to say…
It’s not just recommending a sister to the AWLI. I think
I would also recommend that we appreciate the AWLI. I think one of the main
challenges of trainings like this one has been getting the donor community to
see the value of this kind of training. I think it’s important to say that
without this kind of training it would have been difficult given circumstances
that some of us have encountered when pushing for the women's rights agenda in
our countries. Not paying attention to the impact of the AWLI would contradict
what it is we have been saying about strengthening women’s voices at different
levels in terms of advocacy pushing for rights, claiming those rights,
participation and representation of African women in different governance
levels. This is why we say voice is important.
Going through the AWLI I know now as I knew then that I never
have to fumble in the dark. What the AWLI did for me is it gave me the light
that is applying a feminist analysis to my work and standing for women's and
girls' rights - no buts or ifs about it!
Q- What would be your take on the just ended
May intergovernmental negotiations on Financing for Development (FfD) and how
can African women push for the Gender Equality Agenda in the FFD processes
& beyond
There are a number of things but I want to just focus on
two or three things; the governmental consultations highlighted the North-South
divide in a way that dilutes discussions on aid and justifies Northern
government’s rejection of differentiated responsibilities and the distribution
of resources. This divide has continued to play out in all FfD consultations
and a number of Northern governments have indicated they will not support the
principle of Common But Differentiated Responsibilities (CBDR). CBDR is one of
the key principles that we are pushing for as feminists. There are
opportunities to work closely with the G77 and Least Developed Countries (LDCs)
who have shown support for some of the principles we are pushing for. It is
also important as African women to strategize to get the progressive countries
with the group of G77 & China to speak out on gender equality and other
matters that support the realization of human rights for women and girls.
There are concerns related to some systemic issues that
have further pushed that North-South divide. These include concerns around
trade, private finance and the public-private partnerships (PPPs) and ODA
related issues. It may sound complicated. On these FfD core issues, I found
that some states engaged in unhelpful ways. Notably some developed countries
are opposed to have a FfD follow up mechanism, the right of the states to
regulate in order to protect public interest, including health and critical
areas for sustainable development, they oppose to use Trade-Related Aspects of
Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) flexibilities in social sectors of vital
importance to sustainable development. Developed countries have indicated that
they promote multistakeholder partnerships on critical areas for women's
rights. While this kind of support is very important, it also speaks to a
rhetoric on women's rights because they are advocating against the possibility
to ensure that governments from the South have the conditions to realize such
rights.
Notably for advocacy, African feminists need to organize
beyond borders and oceans and reach out to others especially in Latin America
and the Caribbean and Asia-Pacific to join forces in neutralizing the vocal
minorities that water down our agenda on gender equality and women's rights.
Specifically for African women it is important to realize that our continent
loses billions of dollars every year through illicit financial flows and tax
evasion by multinationals and other private businesses. While it is important
for us to question corruption in our own countries, it is imperative that the
outcome of the FfD process clearly articulates the required accountability
mechanisms that create an enabling environment for states to regulate
multi-nationals and other private companies for the common good of society.
As I said, there are many issues and while some of them
may be seen as not women's rights issues they in fact are. The FfD process has
a strong link to the sustainable development goals and where financing for
implementation and realization of the post 2015 development agenda will come
from. Basically, without the money you cannot implement anything that could
possibly alleviate the status of women and girls, leave alone addressing
poverty for anyone.
. Q- There is a lot of momentum that has been
going on in terms of advocacy and policy influence on gender equality
especially during the post2015 discourse.How do we keep up this kind of
momentum beyond this phase and September 2015?
I think part of keeping the momentum is in the
implementation and that is why the means of implementation as a component of
post2015 is such a huge and important one. Yes apart of which relates to
finances but the other relates to accountability, review and monitoring.
It is important to remain connected to country level
contexts related to implementation of the post 2015 development agenda beyond
September this year when governments adopt the framework. CSOs will continue to
do work at the national level but they have to understand what it is that
governments commit to and which ministry is in charge of implementation and
look at how that implementation is going to tie to their National Action Plans
on development more broadly. Well, depending on what each country calls it…
What is critical is to have civil society make sure they continue to do work
that holds governments accountable. It is important to also work with UN
agencies such as UN Women and UNDP. I would like to specifically mention here
that UNDP through their country level teams are focusing on different goals and
targets and how they will be rolled out at the country level. UNDP has
indicated that there is space for engagement to involve civil society in both
implementation and monitoring the implementation. So women's groups and
organizations need to reach out to their UNDP country offices before September
and indicate their interest in this process of monitoring implementation if
they have not yet done so.
Q- I know that you are a self-determined and
a hard working person however is there any particular African woman who
inspires you or has inspired you?
“I think there are many but let me see …” she takes a few seconds to decide being that she is inspired by many…
I think I would have to definitely say Wangari Maathai.
Important to mention why, I think Wangari Maathai reminded me of how much
African women can do and can achieve and yet not be fully celebrated in their
home. I don’t mean Kenyan women didn’t celebrate her but just how the
government at the time persecuted her for standing up for the need to conserve
our environment and challenged land grabbing as an injustice that was at the
root and still is at the root of some of the problems we are dealing with in
Kenya. In the end, she did get the Noble Peace Prize ....someone had to
recognize those efforts. She paid a huge prize. No matter what, she remains a
great hero to lot of us in Africa. Seeing how the protection of the environment
and climate justice is a huge political debate makes me truly proud of what
Wangari Maathai started in Kenya.
Q- What would be your advice to a young
feminist leader in Africa and how can they move past some of the
challenges they face as young feminists?
Sometimes I am so overwhelmed just thinking about what
young women and girls are facing today. There are challenges such as child,
early and forced marriage, female genital mutilation, lack of access to
education including comprehensive sexuality education that informs the choices
young women and girls make, and a lack of access to sexual and reproductive
health services that are critical life saver for women and girls. While I know
we have made great strides we are still in need of strong young women voices to
continue doing the work; to defend the gains and push for further advancement
of human rights of women and girls. So, specifically speaking of young
feminists we are talking about young women who have already come to the
political consciousness. Persistence is key to doing any advocacy and make sure
your voice remains the force it has become. It is a central part of what is in
your heart and head. No one can take that away unless you give them permission
to do so.
Q- Which one thing would you like the world
to remember about Saida when she is long gone?
She takes a sigh…I just want the world to remember me as Saida the simple ordinary woman
who stood for social justice - yeah basically that is it - I want to be
remembered for leading a simple life yet challenging and doing what a lot of
people think is extra ordinary.
Q- Any comment...
I have thoroughly enjoyed myself talking to you Irene.
Now I must wake my daughter and prepare her for school then get to work.
Unfortunately time is not always our best friend
even when we were both enjoying the conversation we had to bring it to close.
Be on the lookout for the Alumni of the Month of July.
AKina Mama wa Afrika (AMwA) is one of the four partner institutes of the African Centers of Excellence (ACE) for Women's Leadership program run by the Institute of International Education (IIE) , Sub Saharan Africa- Ethiopia Office.
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